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[pikabot]

I don't think I've ever been so fucking furious at roleplaysecrets. This (Warning: Potentially triggering)explains it better than I ever could. But basically? Smut RP is a sex act, albeit a non-physical one that doesn't usually mean anything. Pressuring someone who doesn't want to do it with you into it? Not acceptable, even if that someone doesn't come out and say 'no', because you should have established their interest ahead of time.

And blaming the victim, using language identical to that used to minimize rape victims? So not acceptable.

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[a-white-rain.livejournal.com]

What the fuck is wrong with people?

[pikabot]

I have no fucking clue. And when I pointed out that the language being used is identical to that used to minimize rape victims, and since the situation while not the same is pretty fucking analogous, I got a torrent of people saying OMG YOU SICK FUCK HOW CAN YOU EVEN COMPARE THAT.

I can compare it because. It's UNFORTUNATELY SIMILAR.

[a-white-rain.livejournal.com]

Jesus Christ.

[tsukara.livejournal.com]

Ah consent, that thorny issue. Obviously we're far past the point where 'no means' no'. That much should be obvious to people (sometimes isn't, but it should be). However, a new idea has come about recently about failure to secure consent (I'm sure you know all this, I'm just laying down terms for the discussion). No 'no' does not mean 'yes'.

Here's the thing: online sex does not constitute a sex act. It is wrong. But it is sexual harassment and possibly some form of coercion.

It may even go so far as to threatening language and behavior, depending on the ooc interactions.

However. Claiming that non-physical actions are the same as sexual assault (not the threat of sexual assault or contact, but the act or acts themselves) lessen the latter to a degree.

It would be the same as claiming actual physical assault occurred if another character were to hit mine (without my explicit permission) in a log. (Which, you may think this is a silly example--except this happened to me at least twice by TST players in crack. I simply stopped the threads and did not go forward.)

So, no, it's not the same as rape. It's the same as sexual harassment, especially if the IC crosses into OOC.

The emotional after-effects of sexual harassment can be quite deeply traumatizing as well. It is not a non-issue. But it is not rape. Have I logiced my way to that point clearly enough? That term is not helpful in this discussion, really.

Victim blaming is never okay. But let us be clear what the victim has, in reality, suffered.

[rebbe]

J-jeez, you sure got a negative and rude reaction, considering how calm and rational you were being ):

[miir.livejournal.com]

I would just like to say that I appreciate, very much, how you managed to stay (mostly) civil throughout all of that.

I say mostly because-- well--

So thank you, and I'm sorry it... got as bad as it did.

[runic-binary.livejournal.com]

I didn't see the secret and I don't want to. All I have to say is that is fucking unacceptable on every level, and this is why I refuse to read that damn community.